tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985159635193633235.post1577192047409152008..comments2024-03-25T00:30:02.127-07:00Comments on ISWIX: Looking back, nothing has changed.Christopher Painterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12167478740431444267noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985159635193633235.post-51337283505236323662010-02-07T01:35:33.100-08:002010-02-07T01:35:33.100-08:00If I could "upvote" this I would.I'v...If I could "upvote" this I would.<br>I've been trying for years to get the setup/deployment to be treated just like all other development and included as part of the application's lifecycle.<br>Hasn't happened yet but neither have I given up the fight.alkeiserhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14010871926827533488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985159635193633235.post-64107211944859176332010-02-07T09:20:33.005-08:002010-02-07T09:20:33.005-08:00I totally agree, I spent most of last week working...I totally agree, I spent most of last week working on a setup that wasn't even considered a task on the project plan!<br><br>May be setup developers ask less questions because they are so much cleverer than other developers :-)Neil Sleightholmhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07489289165643020423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985159635193633235.post-36126300719781728062010-02-07T14:17:36.476-08:002010-02-07T14:17:36.476-08:00We're always focused on the doing and not the ...We're always focused on the doing and not the delivering. True, honest agile projects should attempt collapse the entire project lifecycle into the sprint/timebox/iteration - and that includes deployment and packaging concerns.Julianhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06148753904642162513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985159635193633235.post-48746791893184210492010-02-07T15:35:35.129-08:002010-02-07T15:35:35.129-08:00I totally agree! In our book, "Growing Object...I totally agree! In our book, "Growing Object-Oriented Software, Guided by Tests", we recommend automating the system's packaging and deployment at the earliest opportunity and then automatically exercising from continuous integration to kick off the system tests. Addressing it early means that packaging technologies that work poorly with automated testing (e.g. require manual packaging or manual deployment) get kicked out of the project before too much effort has been spent on them.Nat Prycehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14593335423887511402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985159635193633235.post-1210299505242300502010-02-08T01:12:35.891-08:002010-02-08T01:12:35.891-08:00I've managed to attract attention to the setup...I've managed to attract attention to the setup development and the time necessary to create the installation in the company I work for. And it is now considered while planning the scope and estimating the timelines. And this makes me happy! :)Yan Sklyarenkohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02915083843106544026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985159635193633235.post-71557828153561909152010-02-08T08:04:30.596-08:002010-02-08T08:04:30.596-08:00I agree as well with your comments, they are so on...I agree as well with your comments, they are so on target.<br>I have implemented CI and somewhat gotten the focus on setup during planning, but still struggle with respect from my peers.. I have a double whammy.... being a female and an install developer.<br>:-)Jeanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16736566948933625664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985159635193633235.post-84048795646830887302010-02-09T05:52:35.874-08:002010-02-09T05:52:35.874-08:00Standing round of applause for this perspective!Standing round of applause for this perspective!Huwhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00178823998869164153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985159635193633235.post-18091882353627387362010-02-22T22:24:45.726-08:002010-02-22T22:24:45.726-08:00Yes... you are bang on target. I have been facing ...Yes... you are bang on target. I have been facing this second rated citizenship treatment since long. Well recently in my current work I have generated some sort of urgency and respect for the setup/installer work which eventually fetched me the first spot award from the entire developers group but the catch is here that the award citation clearly mentioned that "thou the work was meant for developer and got delivered by a build/release/setup guy, so was this recognition conferred." :-)<br>It was really boosting to read your last paragraph. Thanks.Vijay Kumarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11166890593347827083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985159635193633235.post-82108835838531185112010-03-01T01:09:45.016-08:002010-03-01T01:09:45.016-08:00It's not that big different to be a setup test...It's not that big different to be a setup tester. Other test or dev come to you and say "we have created this cool feature that takes this dependencies" and they expect you to test it on a complete test matrix of configurations and create autoamtion over the day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985159635193633235.post-5869410048561923742010-03-15T05:40:57.911-07:002010-03-15T05:40:57.911-07:00Another blow to Installs Developer, I was recently...Another blow to Installs Developer, I was recently reorganized to the test automation team as described so we could "leverage the synergies between install developer and Test automation." I truly don’t get it, not to knock QA and their function. I don’t see this. We use different tools, language and have different purpose. It all seems idiotic to me. I guess until software developers and managers decide so to show respect for the setup developer we will have to deal with this culture of lack of respect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985159635193633235.post-17536648566367444112010-03-18T08:17:29.179-07:002010-03-18T08:17:29.179-07:00Please don't change a thing. I make my living ...Please don't change a thing. I make my living cleaning up details that every Setup Developer would fix if they had a bit more time. The reality is that they have a Project Manager asking hourly "are you done yet", Testers who provide valued feedback like "works on my machine", and two or three environments that as hard as you work to get things right may still run into compatibility problems. <br>A Deployment Engineer like myself say's before I deploy this to 20,000 PC's I'm going to test it, and with my wrapper change the install to be compatible with standards at this enterprise. This how I sell my services to the Desktop engineering team. I've been part of big and small deployments, sometimes finding glaring errors, and other times just changing things because "that's the way we do things here".Kent Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985159635193633235.post-78802875029899769962010-03-20T07:57:03.532-07:002010-03-20T07:57:03.532-07:00Hello Christopher,I feel the same way, I would lik...Hello Christopher,<br>I feel the same way, I would like to thank you for sharing your thoughts on this here, and as a response to my questions on this in the <a href="http://community.flexerasoftware.com/showthread.php?t=192553" rel="nofollow">Flexera Forum</a>. I am hoping that more people would share their thoughts on this either here on on that forum thread, as I am studying this subject in order to offer practical solutions. I invite anyone to stay in touch as I would like to hear more thoughts and share mine.Andrewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07890511522798385586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985159635193633235.post-34628049867596427152010-04-16T14:08:12.628-07:002010-04-16T14:08:12.628-07:00"Your" denotes ownership. "You'..."Your" denotes ownership. "You're" is short for you are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985159635193633235.post-34003066770435950162010-04-16T14:39:28.154-07:002010-04-16T14:39:28.154-07:00Please correctly use the words your and you're...Please correctly use the words your and you're.<br>http://www.misscommunications.com/2009/02/proofreading-its-easy-with-a-few-quick-tricks.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985159635193633235.post-66013634745400269382010-04-16T19:08:18.429-07:002010-04-16T19:08:18.429-07:00Since you clearly understood what I was getting at...Since you clearly understood what I was getting at, there wasn't any miscommunication was there? Either way I don't really care about your opinion unless you have something interesting to add.Christopher Painterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12167478740431444267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-985159635193633235.post-33205560861099135022010-04-18T23:14:22.159-07:002010-04-18T23:14:22.159-07:00Chris,To add to the statistics you wrote above, al...Chris,<br>To add to the statistics you wrote above, also take a look at DevShed - they have TONS of forums on a multitude of programming skills and technologies, but, well, see my <a href="http://forums.devshed.com/software-design-43/your-biggest-installation-issues-687157.html" rel="nofollow">Installation Problems</a> thread...Andrewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07890511522798385586noreply@blogger.com